Tug Bankert

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  1. Tug Bankert

    OC 3

    Whatever he uses is of no consequence. But you guys, including Scott, are focusing on beading which means not a whole lot.
  2. Tug Bankert

    OC 3

    bc, So first, you know the coating is still there because of the ease of cleaning. If bugs and dirt are sticking and not want to let go. Second, the paint will oxidize if there is no coating present. These changes may be subtle but still noticeable. Third, if you coating was known to only last 3 to 5 years you can assume it is gone by year 3. Don't be cheap. Go get it redone. On a side note, Scott uses an apc to try to make the coating fail and then he does a decon to see if he can revise a coating? A decon is done with an apc. So an apc can make it fail and also revive it. I'm really not concerned with this guys testing. It will in no way change opti coats sales good or bad. Please understand what I am saying and I hope you don't take this personally but I hope you take it seriously, (not just you but all those reading this). An apc test on a coating proves or disproves absolutely nothing. Even if you get it to stop beading that DOES NOT mean the coating has failed. I don't understand why you all get hyped up about some soap on a coating to see if the beading stops? Is that why you got the coating? Because of the water beads? If that's the case then you don't understand what a coating is or does. It's just a coating. It's a product that saves you time and money because it's easier to clean. No hype, just a tool. If you bought a hammer that was suppose to be indestructible and you wanted yo try and break it. Why? For what purpose? Just go use the hammer for what it is intended for. By the way, if I need to suggest to Scott to do the test for opti coat a certain way and he would do it then he shouldn't be doing the testing in the first place. Fun fact, if you really want to test the failure rate of a coating I have the answer...Polish the coating, poof, gone! End of testing. Let's go home.
  3. Tug Bankert

    OC 3

    bc, Whatever way you look at it the testing these guys are doing is trying to get the coating to stop beading which means nothing. Beading does not mean anything. I have had extremely contaminated vehicles bead like mad because they have been slimed with off the shelf wax
  4. Tug Bankert

    OC 3

    I'm not sure why non pro detailers are telling a pro detailer what they tell their customers. It's quite presumptuous. I do tell my customers to wait 30 days as do I wait 30 days when I coat own vehicle. I also tell them never to use soap because it is an antique product and it belongs in the museum. Washing a coating with soap and then watching the beads tells you absolutely nothing about a coating. The only true test for a coating is to actually wash it normally over the course of years. No soap. Rinsless wash only. Soap leaves a film and attracts dirt, even on a coating. I really don't understand why people still use that junk
  5. Tug Bankert

    OC 3

    bc, He did not get the cure times right. Opti coat is 30 days to full cure. Coating is not fully hardened at 7 days By the way guys, these "chemical" tests are in no way real world tests. Chemicals don't fall out of the sky and rain on a car. This is the worst way to test a coating. It may test beading properties, but as we have established, beading does not necessarily mean a coating is intact or not
  6. Tug Bankert

    OC 3

    Just keep in mind, whether this Scott guy sings opti praises or criticizes, he is not a pro installer. I'm not really sure what credentials he has considering he is new to YouTube and is not well known at all with only 28k subscribers. The best way to learn about coatings is talking to actually installers.
  7. Tug Bankert

    OC 3

    Mr. Outback, Who is doing the testing?
  8. Tug Bankert

    Opti-Coat Pro3

    bc, Pro 3 is much harder than pro and therefore more chemical resistant. I could put opti seal on it but it's not necessary in my experience. The plus layer is just gloss and has the strength of what it is stuck too. Also remember that when we say "layer" , they are not independent layers. They all become one layer.
  9. Tug Bankert

    Opti-Coat Pro3

    bc, If money was no object than sure, the sky is the limit. Ppf if properly maintained should last the useful life of a car which is usually 12 years or 200,000 miles. Ppf may get slightly weathered and edges get dirty but who cares, the paint underneath is stick veryuch protected from high impact damage , oxidation, etc. (Ppf can last much longer than 12 years if properly maintained, even in Florida). The weather may affect the cure times for a coating but just like you mentioned, 12 hours before water, 7 days until chemical hardness and 30 to be fully cured is what we should always follow. Who has time to calculate humidity levels and rise in Temps and change the cure times based on that. It's humidity that does the work. The more humid it is for me, the fast the coating cross links. Heat lamps will do nothing the speed up opti coatings. When I coat my personal vehicles, I throw a layer of opti seal on it an hour after coating and drive like normal right away. Pro 3 does not need the opti seal just so you know.
  10. Tug Bankert

    Opti-Coat Pro3

    bc, So what you are describing, pro 3 on paint, ppf on pro 3 and pro plus on ppf would be extremely expensive depending of how much ppf coverage. There is no advantage to putting film on top of coating. Ppf on factory paint is sufficient. Ppf is warrantied for 10 years and I'm sure it's life is actually longer than 10 years. Pro Plus or pro3 on top of ppf would extend its life exponentially. It would be more beneficial to put ppf down and then spend the money on pro 3 to protect the ppf then to put it under the ppf. Fun fact, heat lamps, IR lamps do nothing to cure pro or pro 3 any faster. Humidity and time cures the coatings. There is also no need to park your car for 30 days during the cure process. You certainly can if you like but not necessary.
  11. Tug Bankert

    Opti-Coat Pro3

    I know ppf can stick to pro plus but I'm not sure if it can stick to pro 3. Normal order is ppf and then coating
  12. Tug Bankert

    Opti-Coat Pro3

    bc, I completely understand what you are saying. Let's first establish that pro 3 is in no way inferior to pro plus. Remember that the plus layer was created to shut the mouths of the sio2 coating lovers. Sio2 coatings tend to mimic wax or sealant in look and feel. When it comes to a coating, you cannot make it extremely durable and high gloss at the same time so a top layer was created. Pro 3 is almost completely pure silicon carbide. This component is hard and extremely durable but not as glossy as some other sio2 coatings. The base layer adds no real gloss. Just darkens the color. The top layer of pro 3 is a hybrid sio2 sic and is glossier than the base. Pro 3 is harder, thicker, and will endure better over time and is more durable than pro plus. The point I am making is that looks are the only difference between the 2 coatings is looks. Yes, pro plus is glossier than pro 3. Water beads more on plus than 3 by itself. 3 is still better because it's harder and thicker. Adding plus to 3 is like putting extra icing on already amazing cake. I want to give my customers everything we offer. Pro 3 by itself is still better in all the ways that really count. Beading doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of durability. Here is the question. Would you rather chose a coating that is crazy durable and hard but not much gloss or would you rather have a super duper glossy coating that only lasts for so long? With plus on 3 you can have the best of both worlds. Pro Plus will never have the hardenss of Pro 3 but Pro 3 will never.have the gloss of Pro Plus. On a side note, from what I understand opti will not make a single layer or even a multi layer coating that is both hard and glossy at the same time. They have to be done in layers, as in layering a glossy coating on top of a hard coating. Pro 3 with plus on top is as good as its going to get. Who knows what the future hold for opti coatings but I can't imagine anything better than pro 3 plus.
  13. Tug Bankert

    Optimum's Company Mentality

    Cars can be shipped for not that much money
  14. Tug Bankert

    Optimum's Company Mentality

    Dancingbear, The fact that you couldn't be sold on a better coating than paint guard is the fault of the installer and not Optimum. I do agree that opti could put more info out there but I have a feeling you may still not be convinced. (Please understand I am trying to educate you and not criticize you.) With that being said, whenever I offer a coating I always start with pro 3 and work my way down. Pro 3 is best because.it is thicker and harder. When plus is applied as the last layer it makes the coating so glossy and hydrophobic I can see a significant difference between PG, pro or pro plus. Bugs are almost completely removed without touching just using 1400 psi from a pressure washer. It is backed by a limited lifetime warranty. It is easier to clean and looks incredible compared to any other coating. This is personal experience. If you need more scientific or hands on experience go have your car coated with pro 3/plus. I have a customer that loves to wash and wax his own car. It took me 3 + years to convince him to coat his car. I established a great relationship with him over those years. We he finally decided to do it he got PG. Over these 3 years he was educated on it 100 times over. This was a lot of work for not a lot of profit. My ROI was (as in, I invested more time into him than any 5 customers combined). I showed and explained what coating was the best and he chose PG. He would not take my expert opinion on it. I really doubt anything from Opti would have help to convince him, by the way. Here is my point, I am willing to educate anyone who wants to be. What I can't do is make you understand why 1 coating is better than the other. It's pretty self explanatory which one is better. Price point helps to explain it. Length of warranty is another help. Number of layers is another. I'm not sure what else I could have said to that customer that I didn't already say. One of the reasons I became better at presenting my coating was because of him. The better I got at presenting it the closer he got to purchasing until he finally did. You don't need to be convinced. You already know that opti is the best coating out there. If you can answer why UA apparel is better than the rest then you know why Pro 3 is the best. We can't cater to everyone because some people just won't be convinced but we can educate as many as possible. If you would like, you can call me at my shop and I will explain why pro 3 is the best. 717.356.0480
  15. Tug Bankert

    Optimum's Company Mentality

    Bcwang, strangely enough I understand everything you said. Except.for the fact that your stats exceeding 100% we can overlook that for now. I understand yours and bears points but it's a perspective based on what you read and hear and not from personal experience. Every detailer would most likely agree to an extent with your perspective on categorys of people and who likes what. The reality is that there are 2 categorys. Those who care about their cars and those who don't. Those who care have varying degrees of how they maintain their cars. Some go to car wash and some do it themselves and some take it to the pro. Every area is different. I think the numbers are split pretty even on who does what. You also have to keep in mind that at any time someone new can be brought into the "take it to the pro" category and once they do they usually stay. I have many customers that were enthusiasts and then they got old and bring it to me. My business grows about 10% a year because more and more people realize that paying someone saves them time and money in the long run. Furthermore, Optimum is like Oakley or underarmour. When was the last time you saw a commercial on TV for either of those brands. No one ever says, hey UA or Oakley, you guys need to market better or focus on a certain clientele. Nope, they throw some clothes on the back of an NFL player and say go play. Oakley puts glasses on a snowboarder and sales increase. You also don't see those stores on every corner and yet we know that they are 2 of the best brands on the market. When you see a coating pop up on Google you may not being seeing the best consumer product. You most likely are seeing the best marketed product. Why don't we see opti everywhere like we do avalon king or ceramic pro or cquarts, etc? It's because all of the R and D is in the product and little to marketing. The marketing is left up the the individual installer to reach his market. On a side note, the group of people who are willing to bring it to the pros is probably the largest category, the most informed and educated category. When I think of and enthusiast who does it himself I see someone who needs help but also wants to learn by doing. Perfectly acceptable. Matt Mourmon is an enthusiast who says he strives for excellence. He may be better than most non pros but mainly because money is no object. That does not mean he is good. If someone can make a birdhouse beautifully and trim it out and paint it and it's beautiful but it took him a week to build he would have.to charge $1,000 based on his man hours. If a pro can do the same quality in 12 hours and charge $250, who is better? Who is profitable and who can make more birdhouses and fulfill the need? (There are a lot of homeless birds out there). My point is that you yourself may know how to coat a car but you can't coat a car as good as the pros. As you age you will find that doing it yourself is fun but paying a pro and having it done right is more fun. When your body starts to break down and time is more important because of kids and vacations and long hours you will begin to see that doing it yourself is a young man's game and you will leave that behind. (Hopefully you will mature). That does not mean you won't take care of your car. On the contrary, you will find ways to make it easier to care for your car...as in a pro grade coating. By the way, you make think washing a consumer grade coated car is fantastic (hopefully you have thrown away the soap and got yourself onr and use nothing else), cleaning a pro grade coated car is so much better. Anyway, it's late so until next time. (Because I could talk about this subject all night)