Mr.Outback

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  1. There's been incredible buzz regarding Graphene lately with claims that coatings of it are "1 atom thick" offering fantastic protection. That seems far less than what's offered by Silicon Carbide coatings such as Opti-Coat Pro+. Aren't "Graphene" products really another kind of resin compound but in their case containing suspended Graphene? And what might happen should Graphene be combined with Silicon Carbide? Would the resulting coating be blackish due to the graphene coloration? Would suspended Graphene actually improve Silicon Carbide properties?
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    Silicon Carbide .vs. Graphene

    Out of curiosity, do SIC coatings reflect heat? I've noticed my Pro+ Outback's Autumn Green color stays surprisingly cool in the sunlight.
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    Self healing Coating?

    On his Youtube channel, Pan the Organizer put a portion of his Pro+ coating through a number of chemical applications in an experiment to see if that coating could be chemically removed from his vehicle. After all 7 chemicals were applied/rinsed off, only the Citrol and the Acid based wheel cleaner appeared to cause damage, causing a reduction of beading and overall performance. However, in same video Pan remarked that after two weeks and two washings, the Pro + coating recovered and performed similarly to the "unremoved" coating. Is this a unique property of SIC or were there other factors in play that allowed Pro + to recover? Could it possibly have been a thin layer of the damaged coating sloughing off during washing that allowed recovery? Impressive protection , in any case.
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    Self healing Coating?

    Other than removing robust SIO2 sealants, could Paint Prep cause any problems with Opti-Coat pro coatings? For that matter, would applying Paint Prep twice (just to be sure) prep a previous Opti-Coat pro product for accepting another, newer gen Opti-coat pro product ?
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    Self healing Coating?

    Thanks, Setec. The detailing market's becoming incredibly cluttered with various products and promotions. As a former engineer, facts from reputable sources are appreciated to help choose solid products based on science and engineering. This forum offers some, while the Detailers Business Academy on Youtube offers others (interesting comments about rinse-less washes, for example). I do wonder how much previous SIO2 contaminates coating application process!
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    Self healing Coating?

    Understandable.
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    Self healing Coating?

    No worries. Perhaps Dr. G could comment on Self Healing, either here or with Pan? Pan has many subscribers and is enthusiastic about Opti-Coat's Pro+, and it would help me better understand how to care for my Pro+. There are other you-tuber detailers baking coated car panels in the sun to test durabilities, but to my knowledge none are testing Opti-Coat products.
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    Self healing Coating?

    Forgot to ask.... is self healing a characteristic only for SIC coatings? Or do SIO2 coatings also experience self healing - the "pro" ones, that is ?
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    Self healing Coating?

    Very interesting and good to know, thanks!
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    Hyper-Seal on other ceramic coatings

    Getting back to Hyper_Seal: How many washings can I expect Hyper_Seal to survive? My first major wash of my Pro+ coating was today, using pre-rinse, foam wash, gentle agitation of foam with very soft wash mitt, rinse-off of Renny Doyle foam, distilled water spray, 500-series microfiber towel dry. I noted a great deal of beading (even during the foam application) but very little sheeting (beads didn't leave much in way of trails when blown off the car). FYI Apex detailing now offers a protective spray (not a coating) that claims to "sheet" water (is made by artdesign)
  11. I've tried this several times now and the ONR spray/IK 2.0 sprayer combo, followed by gentle thick microfiber wipeoff , has done good job removing minor grime.
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    OleoPhobia

    Youtube showcases a lot of detailing products. Latest one is DuraSlic, which claims to be oleophobic as well as hydrophobic. Is oleophobia a general property of silicon carbide ceramic coatings (DuraSlic does not say whether they're SIC or SIO2) ? Just curious...the big appeal of oleophobia is that it might help repel "road film" and possibly tar/asphalt contamination. I've never seen any detailer test for that. Still, unlike Pan or other detailing youtubers, I don't have a large supply of cars to detail. Just one daily driver which so far Pro+ has done a decent job protecting.
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    OleoPhobia

    Same here...every youtube video I have found on olelphobia discusses coatings to prevent it, but do not __show__ how the coatings function in "oleophobic" mode. Still, is intriquing as asphalt is an oil-based product and routinely contaminates vehicle coatings - a way to repel it would be nice.
  14. I've used ONR with distilled water in a small IK 2.0 sprayer as a "final rinse" stage (wash, blow dry, rinse with ONR/distilled H20, microfiber dry). Seems to work well.
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    Opti-Coat Pro3

    Thnx for clarification !
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    Silicon Carbide .vs. Graphene

    Another detailer is offering his own "metal oxide" (a type of tin) coating. No info as to what the base resin is. I could see the metal might add some internal "sparkle" to the resin, but tin has a tendency to oxidize very easily.
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    OC 3

    Only thing I'd add is some detailers, due to their clientele's requests, may not be able to be "exclusive" (customers may demand 2-part glass treatments, etc). Other ways to reward "exclusivity" might be pricing adjustments or specialty versions of products. However, I'm no expert as to coating sales techniques.
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    OC 3

    Fully understandable. Some pro youtube channels point out difficulties of working with pro coatings, but that (usually) results are worth it. As a raggedy customer, my primary concerns are coating's performance , durability, and the manufacturer's support. Given the bewildering number of coatings out there, I understand Dr. G's reluctance to burn up time testing "pretenders". Fortunately a number of detailers already do that, helping us customers learn what the __real__ "holy grail" products are.
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    OC 3

    10 times thickness of "regular" coatings is the claim.
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    OC 3

    While researching differences between SIO2, SIC and Graphene, I stumbled over a product called Holy Grail Lustro which makes some pretty heavy claims (10X thicker than anything else). Apparently they're relying on SIO2 chemistry (they say it bonds to and can add a lot to clearcoat thickness, while SIG bonds to but adds very little clearcoat thickness). They also dismiss graphene saying no current product has enough graphene to amount to much. Perhaps Dr. G could shed light on that mystery?
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    OC 3

    Thnx for info Tug...sounds like hyper polish is relatively gentle. I may ask my detailer to do only the __back__ of my Subaru Outback with any Pro 3 he has "left over" from another job (I've been curious what happens to left-over coating product). Reason is the vehicle's back gets exposed to the most dust and dirt and , other than lower rocker panels, is most vulnerable to scratching. It might create a slight gloss mismatch but the protection may be worth it. Does that make sense?
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    OC 3

    Just curious....was mentioned that polishing is required for applying an Opti-Coat coating like Pro 3, but that the amount of clear coat removed could be minimal. What about polishing with a very fine grade polish, like jewlers rouge or glass polish? After chemical de-con, would that be sufficient to provide the grip necessary for a coating to adhere properly ? This is assuming the paint surface is already blemish free, and that the applier then removes all polishing oils prior to coating.
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    Silicon Carbide .vs. Graphene

    The only other SIC coating I've heard of comes from CarPro (Cquartz SIC) which seems to be consumer grade and apparently has a 7 day cure time before washing. Have not seen it compared to Opti-Coat nor other products other than Cquartz 3.0, an SIO2 coating. No mention of warranty on their site.
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    OC 3

    Sounds like the ultimate coating for those who can afford it. Is adding "+" OK wrt the Pro3 warranty? If so I'll pass the "+" recommendation on to our local detailer.
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    OC 3

    Should add our local detailer will be applying Pro3 , per its 4 step process, to a customer's Porsche.