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Or it could be since this new formula is supposed to stain the media less, there was more dirt in the water and less on the media--what did you observe on the media staining, Ron?

It sounds like you are using too much Opti-Seal (Disclaimer: My Opti-Seal is the original version, from 1842 or whenever that was). The reason I was asking if you coated the trim (with the Gloss-Coat) is that some of us have experienced "slivering" of trim when using trim coatings (not Gloss-Coat or other OPT coatings). Apparently this can happen when you apply too much of those other coatings; it's like a "highspot", but usually takes much longer to appear. Anyway, my experience with (and the point of) WOWA sealants is to NOT have to remove residue, so if you are having to wipe more than a few isolated "high spots" then (as Ron noted in his reply while I was typing this), I think you are applying too much.

I notice you also have another thread where you say you "Opti Coated" your vehicle. I'm not sure if you meant Gloss-Coat, since Opti-Coat is a pro-only product and Opti-Coat 2.0 (the one-time consumer version) has been off the market for many years. Did you coat the mirrors before you applied the Opti-Seal?

I think you're probably overthinking this. I generally dry first and then apply OCW or Opti-Seal, I just think it works better that way...and I don't have to worry about my drying towels becoming hydrophobic.

I guess I'm easily confused. I had thought that many times in passing you had said something to the effect that "OPT does not test other manufacturer's products", but you've cleared it up now. Sorry for the confusion.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought in the past you've told us that Dr. G/Optimum doesn't test competitor's products. That's great if he has started to do that, it will certainly give him more perspective. EDIT: Here's something from a few months ago that apparently gave me the wrong idea:

You know I love Optimum Ron...but many times you will tell us you can't compare any other products to Optimum products, because you/Optimum/Dr. G don't test competing products...if that is true, then how do you know that ONR is superior to anything else in the marketplace?

I am not an inveterate FerreX or similar product user, but you can have a lot of iron contamination, and 2 sprays doesn't seem like a huge amount for 1/3 of a hood. In your test, I'm presuming that the unclayed area was the worst, followed by the ONR/Clay, with the FerreX/clay being the best? It may just be that you need to do another application, with or without the clay towel.

I understand that, I was referring to the additional "new formula" label that has been used in the past to identify um...new formulas.

So we should expect a "new formula" label on ONR bottles now?

So does it have the "tweak" from a couple of months ago?

Should I presume that the ONRWW in stock at the Optimum store is not the new version yet? Since it doesn't say "new formula"? EDIT: Will the "new formula" bottles be labeled as in the past?

Ron--if regular ONR now has protection that may last a week or two--does that undercut ONRWW? Or can we now expect ONRWW to be improved from what it was? Great to hear about increased lubricity--but I'm also a bit confused, a couple of months ago, in this thread http://optimumforums.org/topic/64653-product-updates/ , you said updates to ONR were a "tweak" that didn't rise to the level of "new formula", but now (and in the OPT store) it's referred to as a new formula...can you elaborate? Or was it simply that the true nature of the tweak was being held for a SEMA announcement? Also, since you confirmed in the linked thread that ONRWW received the same tweak, but there is no "new formula" announcement here or in the store for ONRWW, can you clarify whether that formula has been changed in the same way or not? Arguably ONRWW already had increased lubricity due to the OCW components.

Wow, four times the thickness! How many microns thick does that make OC3, Ron?

This doesn't have anything to do with the formula update, does it Ron?